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Change: Super Technical balance #1680

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@Stubbjax Stubbjax commented Feb 12, 2023

This PR is a response to #1145 and #592 (and somewhat #648) and aims to strike a balance between reducing the strength of GLA's Super Technical1 and preserving the original feeling and traditional gameplay of 1.04.

Changes include:

  1. Increased GLA Technical xp requirements from [0 50 75 150] to [0 50 100 150]
  2. Reduced China Supply Truck xp yield from 50 to 25

Rationale

1. Technical xp requirements

In 1.04, the Technical's 25 xp requirement to go from Veteran to Elite rank is extremely small, and somewhat skewed in terms of progression (50 → 25 → 125). At the bare minimum, this allows a Technical to achieve Elite rank from killing a couple of infantry, but otherwise doesn't make any difference when it comes to vehicular combat, as most vehicles are worth at least 50 xp. Adding a further 25 xp to the Elite rank requirement is a small price to pay for a substantial reduction in Super Tech potential.

Before and after the change, a Technical still ranks up from Veteran to Elite by killing its prey of choice, the Humvee (which is worth 50 xp).

ELITE.mp4

In 1.04, a Technical only needs to kill two rocket infantry / rangers (worth 20 xp each) in order to progress from Veteran to Elite rank (50 + 20 + 20 = 90). This can be seen in the below footage, where a Technical reaches Elite rank by merely driving to an opponent's oils on Defcon 6, which is a very common occurrence. However, after the change, an additional infantry needs to be killed to reach Elite rank (50 + 20 + 20 + 20 = 110).

EASY_ELITE.mp4

Another way of looking at it is that a Technical now only needs an additional 10 xp to reach Elite rank. A Technical typically reaches Elite rank via infantry kills in 1.04 by going from 70 xp to 90 xp to cross the 75 xp requirement. The practical difference can thus be considered as an extra 10 xp (90 xp vs 100 xp).

2. Supply Truck xp yield

For the Technical xp adjustment to make a difference, the xp yield of Supply Trucks must also be reduced. Reducing the xp yield of Supply Trucks primarily targets the Super Tech issue while not drastically impacting too many other areas of the game. It is reasonable that Supply Trucks yield half the xp of Chinooks, as they cost half as much and are far easier to destroy. Other tanks / vehicles are typically worth 50+ xp for comparison. Combined with the Technical xp requirement increase, a Technical now only reaches Elite rank from killing two Supply Trucks, instead of Heroic as in 1.04. The Technical must destroy an extra tank / vehicle or hunt down another two Supply Trucks to achieve Heroic status - a feat that is far more worthy of the rank.

Not only do Elite Technicals have less firepower than Heroic Technicals, but they also have less health. This affords the opponent more time to deal with the Technical, and is less punishing over the same time frame. Note that the Technical does not acquire the fire rate boost that it typically would after killing the first truck (Veteran to Elite), making the destruction of the next truck a slightly more timely endeavour.

1.04:

A Technical can kill two Supply Trucks to reach Heroic rank. This assumes Technical Training is applied, which gives the Technical 50 xp by default. The two Supply Truck kills add +50 xp each to a total of 150 xp. The (high) reward does not align with the (relatively low) effort required.

TECH_BEFORE.mp4

Patch:

A Technical will only reach Elite rank after killing two Supply Trucks. This assumes Technical Training is applied, which gives the Technical 50 xp by default. The two Supply Truck kills add +25 xp each for a total of 100 xp. The (medium-high) reward is closer to the (relatively low) effort required.

TECH_AFTER.mp4

Further considerations

If the halved xp yield is deemed too low, it can be increased to 30 or 40 while maintaining the altered Technical xp requirements to achieve the same outcome with reduced external impact. A Technical would still need to destroy two 40 xp Supply Trucks to reach Elite rank (50 + 40 + 40 = 130), though they would be much closer to reaching Heroic rank. Requiring three Supply Trucks to reach Heroic rank may be a reasonable compromise if this change is deemed too controversial or test results are negative.

If Technical xp requirements are more of a concern than Supply Truck xp yields, then another approach would be to change the Technical's Elite xp requirement to 80 xp (only +5 xp from 1.04), and leave Supply Trucks yielding 25 xp. This would result in the Technical still needing to destroy two 25 xp Supply Trucks to reach Elite rank (50 + 25 + 25 = 100), while effectively maintaining the same quick ranking progression via infantry kills.

Other ideas may involve subtly reducing the damage of the Technical's RPG weapon, e.g. from 50 damage to 45 damage to match the cannon weapon's damage (it may allow a Gattling Tank to take an extra hit). A damage increase counterbalanced with a fire rate reduction could also amplify the Technical's role as a hit-and-run type of unit, and make it more susceptible to prolonged engagements.

Summary

The xp alterations serve as a reasonable balance approach because they are relatively subtle, intuitive, preserve the original feeling of 1.04, and make Super Techs harder to acquire instead of reducing their performance, which many players enjoy. Once acquired, a Super Tech can wreak the same havoc as it does in 1.04. The heightened requirement provides the opponent with a bit more counterplay potential, and heightens the skill required to acquire a Super Tech. The higher requirement ties in better with the devastating capabilities of a Super Tech, and adds more weight to their acquisition.

At the end of the day, an Elite Technical is a bit easier for China to deal with than a Heroic Technical. A Veteran Gattling Tank can effectively go head to head with an Elite Technical. An unranked Gattling Tank can even destroy the Technical if micromanaged correctly (#1199). This, of course, assumes limited micro on the Technical's part.

ELITE_TECH_VS_VET_GAT.mp4
ELITE_TECH_VS_GAT_PS.mp4
ELITE_HEROIC_COMP.mp4

Also note that altering the xp yield for Supply Trucks will affect other units, and effectively double their requirements in terms of killing Supply Trucks. Humvees, for example, will need to kill four Supply Trucks to acquire Veteran rank, instead of two as in 1.04. However, this could also result in a positive outcome, and help reduce the severity of other issues, such as #640.

At the very least, this branch can serve as a testing ground to observe the impact Super Techs have on China's prospects. I believe this proposal will directly address the issue while incurring minimal costs elsewhere.

Footnotes

  1. A Super Technical is a Technical that has achieved god-like status by ranking up to Heroic (third) rank and collecting two salvage crates to acquire the RPG weapon. The RPG weapon deals 50 EXPLOSION damage, which is a damage type that is not resisted by many units in the game.

@Stubbjax Stubbjax added Design Is a matter of game design Controversial Is controversial Major Severity: Minor < Major < Critical < Blocker Buff Makes a thing more powerful Nerf Makes a thing less powerful China Affects China faction GLA Affects GLA faction labels Feb 12, 2023
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ImTimK commented May 18, 2023

Actually got an alternative idea for this case, what about changing the Veteran requirement to 25XP instead?

So [0 25 75 150].

It has the exact same effect as the suggested change, but also gives unvetted Techs more potential. This will make the General Promotion less of a no-brainer and makes alternatives like Marauders more attractive.

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xezon commented May 18, 2023

So [0 25 75 150]

I do not like this. Makes the General Promotion less valuable.

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ImTimK commented May 18, 2023

So [0 25 75 150]

I do not like this. Makes the General Promotion less valuable.

That's the intention. The genpoint still remains completely meta no doubt though. The extra firepower for ALL Techs straight from the arms dealer is a huge deal.

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xezon commented Aug 2, 2023

Great presentation. I like this proposal. It looks simple and intuitive. GLA Super Technical becomes just a bit more difficult to acquire, most notably against China Trucks.

@xezon xezon changed the title Super Technical balance Change: Super Technical balance Aug 26, 2023
@xezon xezon force-pushed the super-tech-balance branch from 500ab1c to 87d4dd4 Compare August 26, 2023 07:05
@xezon xezon force-pushed the super-tech-balance branch from 87d4dd4 to 483d247 Compare August 26, 2023 07:06
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xezon commented Aug 26, 2023

XP reward changes to CINE units are reverted. Documentation added. Commit titles fixed.

@xezon xezon force-pushed the super-tech-balance branch from 483d247 to 6b5aa91 Compare August 26, 2023 07:13
@xezon xezon merged commit a031068 into main Aug 26, 2023
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